In my opinion corrupt medicos.
Is this a psychopath? His replies ooze with sarcasm. His replies are certainly unprofessional but he did admit between the lines that basic biology is not being researched properly so when it comes to the physiology of anxiety the medical industry makes no attempt to disentangle the issues and their physiological effects. This of course is profitable.
I have omitted some details, which might identify this website. With two exceptions (both of which were psychologists) I have had good responses and good answers from the physicians on this website.
THE QUESTION AND REPLIES.
A question about research on worry.
I am interested in the biology of circular thinking or worry (rumination) and I have been unable to find anything on the net. I am not talking about anxiety, which is a mix of emotions, usually fear and worry or anger and worry, and I am not talking about depression which is again something different. I am talking about the act of continuous serious thinking in trying to resolve some issue. I found that besides the activity in the brain the body is also brought to rest and changes that assist the brain to have an advantage over the musculature for fuel materials. Is there any research being done in this area?
A psychologist replied even though I asked for a doctor to answer my question.
The psychologist’s answer:
Welcome to ………. (X website)
We understand your concerns
I did most of my researches in anxiety and depression areas. Therefore I think I have enough insights about rumination. I still warn you, I may not be as satisfactory as you may expect because you are already a scholar and you have your own way of thinking. Psychology got so many schools and theories mainly because it describes and studies something which we cannot see.
Rumination is the compulsively focused attention on the symptoms of one’s distress, and on its possible causes and consequences, as opposed to its solutions. In a sense it can be treated as OCD, but differential diagnosis may prove it as rumination. In rumination also, we study and research behavior. Therefore, slip ups happen. Study of rumination is therefore, tricky one.
I am trying to answer your query. keep the above points in mind.
Wikipedia explains so many aspects of rumination and you can go through it if you feel so. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumination_(psychology).
BRIDGET MURRAY LAW in his article in a journal of American Psychological Association, Probes the depression-rumination cycle. http://www.apa.org/monitor/nov05/cycle.aspx
Dr Edward Watkins, School of Psychology, University of Exeter, presents a paper on Cognitive-Behaviour Therapy for Depressive Rumination, and has good explanation about rumination. Link: http://www.psychologytoday.com/files/attachments/84564/cbtfordepressiveruminationpaperscientistpractitioner.pdf.
Susan Nolen-Hoeksema, Blair E. Wisco and Sonja Lyubomirsky rethinks rumination in this pdf http://sonjalyubomirsky.com/wp-content/themes/sonjalyubomirsky/papers/NWL2008.pdf
All these above papers do provide you with lot of rumination insights and information. These web links were used by so many people for study about rumination including me.
When I searched PQDT Open for research papers and dissertation for Rumination, I got more than 300 results. All of them are genuine. You too can search their open and free database of dissertations. http://pqdtopen.proquest.com/pqdtopen/about.html
All the PQDT Open search resultant theses and dissertations are purely academic and are free for everyone for download and study. In that aspect I feel proud that I gave you something which you can use for years coming.
The search page of PQDT open which I got is : http://pqdtopen.proquest.com/results.html?QryTxt=rumination&fromyear=&toyear=&author=&Title=&pubnum=&school=&advisor=&keywords=
Please look into the above. Still I am not sure whether these links and text satisfy you or not. I hope I tried my level best.
God bless you.
Dr. ************ PhD.
I appreciate that you have made a lot of effort but I have seen most of these sites. They don’t really look at the physiology and they tend to see rumination only from a pathological viewpoint. But it doesn’t have to be.
For instance a mathematician who is trying to find a proof for something could be involved in intensive thinking for days or weeks. He or she is not sick. However their physiology will be affected. Their body will be forced to rest conditions (high PNS tone) while they are involved in intensive thinking.
I have found many metabolic conditions that are involved with intensive thinking but I have done my research on myself using insight meditation. So I am looking to find if there is research that has been done on the physiology that may confirm my findings.
I can see cases that show my findings may be confirmed but they are not straightforward and definite. For instance where fear and worry/ rumination co-existing (ie anxiety) is severe and for a long period of time the person may present to a heart physician with atrial fibrillation because fear (high SNS tone) and worry /rumination (high PNS tone) present conflicting signals to the heart. And there are other symptoms that can’t all be attributed to fear. Many of those symptoms do confirm rumination physiology but this is not straight forward evidence.
Would it be true to say that the physiology of rumination in it’s pure form has never been studied? I mean by biomedical researchers. Are physicians not interested in the physiology of the emotions?
The psychologist’s 2nd reply.
Very nice of you researching in a new area.
Thanks for your appreciation
I sincerely thank you. You are surely putting a lot of energy and time into this research and as I pointed out in my earlier answer, you are a genius. Only a genius can think such a way. I thank god, that I am able to speak with you. I am really blessed.
I don’t know, your intentions and research topic. On reading your second question, I think, you are trying to combine several different subjects for your study which is a rare practice. . Namely, Psychiatry, Physiology, psychology of emotions, Psychology of insight, bio medicine or biotechnology, endocrinology etc., I appreciate your efforts, but I also fear, as no one ventured in these territories, you may not get enough scholarly material. I think you are the first scholar in this area.
I talked to several of my professors in my country whom I can depend on. Almost everyone have the same opinion. Talked to several practicing psychiatrists regarding this. Still the result is same.
Therefore, I am really sorry about this. What ever resources I shared with you, are the maximum I could find for you. Please pardon me.
Secondly, may god bless you for your efforts and make you the first person who succeeds in researching rumination and its physiological and endocrinology aspect.
I also pray god for a privilege to profess your research paper to my students with a prefix when I mention your name in my class “Father / Founder of Rumination Theory”.
May god bless you.
I am Always available to help you in my limited capacity.
Once again thanking god for giving me an opportunity to speak to a real scholar.
Dr. ************ PhD.
What this psychologist (and psychiatrists that he consulted) is saying is that the biology of worry/ rumination has never been studied and that it is not being studied and from the way he talks there is no intention for it to ever be studied. Hence anxiety, which is fear and worry or anger and worry, is only studied in a jumbled form. They look to explain the physiology in a way that suits the “you are a machine” theory so that we can sell you drugs and medical procedures and make money.